swimbait | Mon Jul-24-06 07:38 PM |
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#16357, "Great mysteries of the color red"
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So I was at the Bass-n-Tubes delta open the other day chatting it up with swampy dave, IFISH, fishcat, Mitch and the gang. A very important topic of conversation came up as we were shooting the breeze. Dave brought it up I think because he had a reel spooled up with Cajun Red line. If you're familiar with Cajun line their marketing informs the angler that red is the first color to disappear underwater and because of that, Cajun red line starts to 'disappear' to the fish in as little as 3 feet of water. This sounds good no? We all want invisible line.
So the next point brought up was one of my favorites, the red hook. The bloody lures are still multiplying out there and it seems like half of what you see now has a red hook in it. Everywhere I am reading how I need to use red hooks because they look like blood!
But wait, I'm confused... According to the folks at Cajun line, red can 'disappear' in as little as 3 feet of water. So if you are using red hooks and fishing deep, is your hook becoming invisible? Invisible hooks sound great to me but I thought the whole point of using a red hook was the blood, you know... like the fish sees the lure and mistakes the hook for... blood. Yeah that makes sense because so many things underwater are always bleeding all the damn time because fish blood only coagulates underwater almost immediately and ... oh hell my brain hurts.
So a few questions that come up in this critical discussion...
If red 'disappears' underwater, does fish blood disappear underwater also?
Can fish see their own blood?
Is a red snapper invisible?
How come bass didn't adapt to turn red so that they could be invisible?
How come no freshwater game fish are red?
If I wear a red wetsuit, can I hide from sharks?
Your input is welcome :) This is important!
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Bassin | Mon Jul-24-06 08:45 PM |
Member since Feb 18th 2003
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#16358, "RE: Great mysteries of the color red"
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I have read your take on the red hook thing before, you bring up some great points. Its funny how so many swear by adding a red hook to thier lures. Example: Replacing the center or front hook on certain jerk baits, Said by KVD. So if red disapears, then how does one explain the red flake in plastics? I know it works, on particular fisheries. The Beaver "420", Robo worm: ArronsMagic or Ox blood with red flake. Senko Watermelon red flake. These can be very affective. If red disapeared then way the red flake?
Good topic Rob.
Bryan To fish is to live!
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Slough Crew | Mon Jul-24-06 08:47 PM |
Member since Jan 22nd 2006
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#16359, "RE: Great mysteries of the color red"
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That is funny Rob, "Is a red snapper invisible?". Maybe the Cajun line disapears because mono is somewhat transparent in nature and with the line being red it is more invisible than the more common colors of mono. Maybe it's just a gimmic to sell more line?? I have no idea but you do bring up some valid questions....
Why haven't shad and other bait fish adapted and become red.
What does a trout with a nice red gill plate and a red stripe look like to a bass?
Bass must find and eat most crawdads by vibrations because they could surely never see the red ones...
Jake J
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dockboy | Tue Jul-25-06 07:39 PM |
Member since Jun 09th 2005
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#16366, "RE: Guys, you've got it all wrong."
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I posted on this topic last time Rob brought it up and it was a good, informative topic. I use red trebles on topwaters, shallow cranks, and have some red trailers on my spinnerbaits. I think you''ll lose "the red advantage" in deeper water not because they're invisible. I just think they turn a darker, much less flahy red. I think fish share a lot common things with us as far as vision goes but I think they have a harder time seeing more subtle changes of color such as the diiference between blacks and darker reds. Thus a fish would probably smell fish blood (yes, even bass) in deeper waters faster than it would recognize what exact color it is. But I shallow water I think red stands out better and starts that wire in the fish's brain that says "Wounded prey!" :9
But really, I'll use red to stand out more when sight fishing bed fish too. And I can't deny the effectiveness of red flake. I mean, the CA 420 Beaver is probably the most consistently best color on my local lake! And the oxblood red flake Robo ,man, unstoppable at times. Could be that in weedy lake craws can take on more of a reddish color...who knows! And I've seen bass only hit the red hook on a topwater too. Whatever, as long as they work I'll use red hooks in some situations. Bass + Fisherman= BAASS ADDICTT!!!
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MountainBass | Wed Jul-26-06 07:19 AM |
Member since Apr 03rd 2006
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#16367, "RE: Great mysteries of the color red"
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Time to refer to my fish bible: "The life story of a fish: his manners and morals"
in the chapter about senses, subsection sight: "Can fish tell color? There have been more experiments on this than anyother phase of the fish's vision. The answer is yes, as least in so far as the fisherman is concerned.
They conducted experiments with LMB in seperate, all white tanks. and fed them through different colored pipes. Some colors giving it a shock, and some giving it food. The result was that it learned over time and stopped going to the shocking color, even when there was no shock, and still went to the feeding color even when there was no food.
but heres and interesting side note of the experiment:
"One of the first findings was that the untrained black bass, before conditioning had started, had a strong prefrence for red over all other colors." "yellow was the next favorable"
hmmm theres something neat. doesnt exactly answer the question, and of course tanks are shallow and are full of clear waer, but an interesting note.
results: "In the end, the expirements proved that bass could tell red from any other color with the xeption of violet and almost equally sure on yellow. greens and blues were the hardest for him to distinguish from each other and from black. Brightness proved to play no part, for not only was the bass able to tell the training red from any other shades of grey, but if he were offered some other shade of red, he would chose that over the greys.
after putting all of the color experiments togather in this book, they concluded that bass see's (colorwise) almost the same as we would if we were wearing a yellowish tinted pair of glasses.
just some interesting stuff for ya'll Ryan Thoni
If people concentrated on the important things in life there would be a shortage of fishing poles. ~Doug Larson
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