Heres my 2 cents, and 3 swimbait setups.......7" baits--Loomis BBR 964--CTE300--20lb P-LINE9" baits--Loomis BBR 965--CTE400--20lb P-LINE12"baits--Loomis BBR 966--CTE400--30lb P-LINEI am sure there are soime "Specialty" rods out there, especially custom wrapped rods, but thee work great for me, and I'll throw em for 8 hours straight...Most of the time without a bite.;-) LaterCam