Hey guys,

You may want to do the math again with the current standings. It is my understanding that you have 2 throwouts. 1 for first half and 1 for 2nd half. Well someone's calculator is not adding up correctly. I can certainly get you a Windows XL spreadsheet that will do all the math for you if that helps. Let me know, but I think these #'s should be corrected ASAP, so it is a fair and right competition. I don't want to cite whose is wrong. I think you all can go on there and do the math and see for yourself, but it should be changed and quickly. If I am wrong, please let me know and explain the process so in the future I don't have to step onto this soap box.

Thanks,

Dani

Dani, there's no 2nd half throw-out. For 2nd half points, all that counts are the last 5 tournaments with no throw-outs or meeting points. The 2nd half person with the most points, who otherwise wouldn't qualify for the TOC, gets to go to "The Big Show."

The throw-outs are only counted for standings for the entire season.

The points rules are listed under "TOC Qualification Rules" on the website.

Hope that helps.

Andy

I am still trying to wrap my brain around this. So the 2nd half points for meetings don't count in the net points?


I assumed you add up all the points for meetings and tourney's. You throw out the lowest score in the first half and 2nd half and that is how you come up with net points. Now, you are telling me that lowest score for 2nd half does not get thrown out, but the meeting points for the 2nd half don't count? Is that right?

Well, sort of. Your two lowest scores for the entire season get thrown out when determining net points for the whole shibang. Second-half points are just the sum of the tournaments from July - November - no throw-outs are included in the calculation. Also, meeting points aren't counted when determining 2nd half points.

I noticed when I looked at the rules for TOC qualification the it wasn't spelled out that meeting points don't count when determining the 2nd half TOC qualifier. The club should probably amend the rules to reflect that change, which was voted on & approved by the club a couple of years ago. I remember, because I was doing the points on the web at the time, & it was a bookkeeping hassle to include them for reasons that would probably bore the heck out of anyone reading this. Keeping track of the points & posting them is time-consuming & confusing enough, as I'm sure Dan Chester & Mike Ayers could tell you.

One more point, Dani. I think the confusion is that someone may have mistakenly told you that there's a 2nd half throw-out. That's not right. There are 2 throw-outs when calculating total points for the entire season. They could be your 1st 2 touraments in February & March, or your last two in October or November, or, whatever.

Hope that helps.

Dani, first off welcome to the forum. I hope Andy answered your questions for you! Andy thanks, as for your remark about the spreadsheet there is no formula that we have to simply punch in results and have it magically move people up and down in the cells and put them in the right order and calculate throw-outs and meeting points! If you can write a spreadsheet formula or a program that can do this for us, please! "hook us up" :P

mike

kind of off subject, and not to be impacient. But, are the pictures for the Highland Springs tourney going to be posted soon?

Thanks,

Jdub

Thanks for the welcome Mike and congratulations on the TOC. Way to go.

As far as the points go, they just seem off to me. Not everyone mind you, just some and only by 2-3 points. I will have to do the math again now that I know the system.

I would just hate to see someone miss out on the TOC due to a miscalculation. Know what I mean?

Keep up the great work guys and here is to a super succesfull end of the season.

D

Jdub,

My bad on the photos. I've sent them off to Mike this very second and we know he's good!

Sorry to everyone on my tardiness on the photos (again x( )

Todd

Good point, Dani. Folks should check the standings & make sure their points have been added up correctly. It's easy to make a math error when putting them together. If you do spot something, just let a club officer know & they'll take care of it.

One more quick question. Can you use a no show for one of your throw outs?? Say someone missed to tourneys and got 0 points, can they use those as throw outs?

Yes, you can, as long as you had paid your membership.

Well that seems a little unfair. Where someone must throw out let's say 60 point for their 2 throw outs, the person who missed 2 actual Tourney's throws out 0. So it pays not to show up at tourney's? Seems odd to me. It should be the lowest 2 tourneys you attended are your throw outs. Just seems fair that way. It would seem logical to some then to miss the next couple of tourney's so they aren't throwing away over 60 points as an example. Just my opinion.

You may have a point, & of course you can bring it up at a meeting & see what the other guys think. To be honest, though, I've never seen throw-outs hurt someone's standings. Also, one of the ideas behind the throw-outs is to keep more people in the race for the TOC & keep the interest level high thru the end of the season. There are times when guys have to miss one or two tournaments because of personal reasons, &, without the throwouts, they might be effectively eliminated from making the TOC or having a shot at AOY.

I'm not claiming the idea works 100%, but when you have 31 guys show up for a tournament in September, that's a pretty good sign. Of course, I'm comparing this to the late 90's, when we were lucky to have 6 or 7 guys show up.

The club voted for it for the exact reason Andy mentioned. It does help keep everything in check and makes for us guys who get married (and force a couple people to go to my wedding! }( ) a chance for both AOY and TOC.

This was the first year I have missed a tournament ever and would be throughly disappointed if I was not able to shoot for AOY. This at least gives me a chance :+

Besides Dani, if you look at other circuits (ABA for example) they have the 5 best out of 6 for their team events and I'm sure the reasons Andy and I have mentioned above are part of the reasons.

Oh, another point is for the guys/gals who are able to fish ALL the tournaments, they have a HUGE advantage from those of us who miss a tournament due to getting 1 or 2 opportunities to be doing better! If you were shooting for AOY or TOC and you knew your top competition couldn't make it, why wouldn't you think of it as an advantage?

Todd

One last point, Dani. If you fish all 10 tournaments, the throw-outs are subtracted from your total for the 10 tournies, not from the total for your best 8 tournies. So, there's really no downside to having your lowest tournies thrown-out. Even our beloved Todd, who had to throw out a 3rd & 4th place finish in 2002, still won AOY by a wide margin.

Yes, great memories from that year... Todd, when are you going to have some kids & take on a mortgage you can't afford like the rest of us schmucks? Now that your marriage is a few months behind you, you're getting too darned focused again.

Ya,maybe he`ll win one before the years over,lol.

hey mike this is matt c i beleive my second half throw out is not caculated properly should be 33 not 38 can we get this fixed!!!!!!