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CJ | Mon Feb-10-03 02:13 PM |
Member since Nov 02nd 2001
335 posts
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#8119, "Bass Talk Editorial"
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I don't know if any of you read last weeks Western Outdoor News, but there is an editorial section named "Bass Talk" authored by George Kramer. Basically in this weeks issue he calls out San Diego fishermen in a negative way. He, and I quote, says "San Diego is a special home of habitual, boring conformist angling stylists who huddle in local tackle shops waiting for someone to come up with a technique that's easy to use and that works everywhere." He later says that "When it comes to innovation, if the San Diego bassin" crowd were that mouse in a maze, they'd starve to death in their own driveways." He does talk highly about Cameron Smith(Socalfrogger) and Art Berry, but aside from that threw the rest of the county in as unimaginitive anglers who all do the same thing. First off, I took offense to this because he is ripping on a large portion of my customers and friends, with no real reason. BWW spends a lot of money advertising in Western Outdoor News, so I thought an e-mail expessing my concern in such a slam would be appropriate......No response. I got a call from WON and was patched through to Kramer, and he could not see my point that it was irresponsible to rip on an entire region of anglers because of a few anglers he has a problem with. He said that surely if that article was offensive, that he would get e-mails or letters about it. I'm pissed, I don't want a newspaper who I pay for to advertise in to insult any region of my customers. I know that several on this board are from San Diego, and ask if you find an editorial like this to be offensive to e-mail WON at wonmail@aol.com. Also relay this to anyone on such boards as SDFish or any others. I guess I don't carry much weight to them as a paid advertiser, but maybe others can help them see the light. Half of these writers never show up at any tournaments, or even have any idea what goes on in bass fishing in general. They should be much more responsible in their journalism. Please tell me if I'm totally off the beam on this one.
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RE: Bass Talk Editorial,
socalfrogger,
Feb 10th 2003, #1
RE: Bass Talk Editorial,
Taylor,
Feb 10th 2003, #2
RE: Bass Talk Editorial,
DoubleTrouble,
Feb 10th 2003, #3
RE: Bass Talk Editorial,
Tsunami,
Feb 10th 2003, #4
RE: Bass Talk Editorial,
DoubleTrouble,
Feb 10th 2003, #5
RE: Bass Talk Editorial,
bassnet,
Feb 10th 2003, #6
RE: CJ,
Jeff L,
Feb 11th 2003, #7
RE: Double Trouble...,
Jeff L,
Feb 11th 2003, #8
RE: Bass Talk Editorial,
tsurikichi,
Feb 11th 2003, #9
RE: Bass Talk Editorial,
CJ,
Feb 11th 2003, #10
RE: Bass Talk Editorial,
DoubleTrouble,
Feb 12th 2003, #11
RE: Bass Talk Editorial,
DaKine,
Feb 12th 2003, #12
RE: Bass Talk Editorial,
DaKine,
Feb 12th 2003, #13
RE: Bass Talk Editorial,
Jigngerr,
Feb 12th 2003, #14
RE: Bass Talk Editorial,
tsurikichi,
Feb 13th 2003, #16
RE: Bass Talk Editorial,
CJ,
Feb 14th 2003, #17
RE: Bass Talk Editorial,
RODSNAPPER,
Feb 12th 2003, #15
RE: Bass Talk Editorial,
JBYRD23,
Feb 19th 2003, #18
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socalfrogger | Mon Feb-10-03 03:04 PM |
Member since Oct 21st 2002
395 posts
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#8120, "RE: Bass Talk Editorial"
In response to Reply # 0
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I see it from both sides. Mostly I side with CJ. I don think it was right for him to slam the San Diego region of fisherman like that, but at the same time, he is right in a sense. The majority of the anglers in SD are closed minded to new techniques. I think the article was an attempt, allbeit a poor one, to show the population what it takes to break out of the mold.
However, the lakes down in SD are very tough and the techniquies that work are very well known. Most of the fisherman in SD dont want to fish professionally, so there really isnt any need for them to break out of the mold. The old saying "if it isn't broke, don't fix it" applies here. Its not that their unamaginative, its just that people in SD have figured out effective ways to catch fish and they do it. As long as they are catching fish, why change???
its the anglers that have the dream to take it to anothe level that this article applies to. Basically, the majority of the fisherman in SD are catching fish, regularly. The ones that broke out of the mold, sometimes dont even catch as many as the others, but they are the WINNING fish.
But like I said, it was harsh the way he came off, especially since he has been fishing the same old 6" worm on a dart head that he used to fish 15 years ago. Talk about being a rat in a maze? He should have starved a while ago if he wants to put it that way. You would think a guy like him would know how and why to fish any bait on the market.
Anyways, thats my 2 cents, hope it doesnt cause a stir Cameron
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Taylor | Mon Feb-10-03 04:36 PM |
Member since Nov 12th 2002
44 posts
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#8130, "RE: Bass Talk Editorial"
In response to Reply # 1
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I agree CJ. I wonder why he would just come out and write something like that. That is not what fishing is all about, slamming people because they use the same techniques. I feel Mr Kramer went in the wrong direction with that article. CJ, what else did the article say?
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bassnet | Mon Feb-10-03 11:32 PM |
Charter member
1213 posts
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#8136, "RE: Bass Talk Editorial"
In response to Reply # 5
Mon Feb-10-03 11:36 PM by bassnet
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I was stoked to read the very positive reference to Cam, and generally like to read Kramer's colomn, but I was a bit surprised by the negative attitude of the column. Seems like there are a few young kids who are working pretty hard to learn the ropes down there, as well some seasoned veterans who could hold their own anywhere. What was his point?? The guys that were/are catching the suspended fish, busting fish, swimbait fish, dropshot fish, etc. weren't dragging brown blue vein worms around all day, and most are SD guys. Maybe Rich Holland pissed in his coffee at the office that morning, who knows. Maybe the fact that he was born the same year as George Perry and Perry got the record back in '32 is eating at old man Kramer. Kind of surprised at his indifference to Chris's concerns, as well. Oh well, I think everyone knows you take everything in the Green Liar with more then a few grains of salt. BTW, the BWW tips in WON every week are by far the best info in the paper, hands down. Please keep throwing them in there!! Anyone else trip out on the photo of Joey Mullet every week holdiong a 3 pound (fish of your choice) at arms length, listed as a 6.5 or whatever? Take it for what it's worth, a fishing tabloid with two week old news about Crave. Luckily we have all moved on to the 21st century and the internet. my two cents plus a buck fiddy
edit- is Mr. Kramer more familiar with other parts of the country and what anglers there are doing? I guess he is... ;)
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Jeff L | Tue Feb-11-03 11:42 AM |
Member since Oct 17th 2002
66 posts
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#8139, "RE: CJ"
In response to Reply # 6
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Hey CJ, i didn't mean to hit and run yesterday but i heard you on the phone and didn't want to interupt your heated conversation, that's why i popped in and out quickly! I couldn't agree more w/your post, in the first place (like Double Trouble) stated, the guy is an old outdated fool that doesn't know jack about today's tourney scene, when i used to read his long winded, boring article's they were all reminiscent of year's gone by when they used to fish vinyl this and vinyl that...never about the present. I too was surprised that he would so blatantly DISS the S.D. area like that, oh well, i guess he needs to print something to keep a job!
Jeff L.
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Jeff L | Tue Feb-11-03 11:45 AM |
Member since Oct 17th 2002
66 posts
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#8140, "RE: Double Trouble..."
In response to Reply # 7
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Dude, that is a tight a$$ Butterfly, can you hook me up?
Jeff L.
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Jigngerr | Wed Feb-12-03 09:43 AM |
Member since Sep 08th 2002
72 posts
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#8158, "RE: Bass Talk Editorial"
In response to Reply # 13
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CJ....You are right on the beam on this one. I grew up fishing SD lakes and yes SD lakes definately are different.....like everywhere else. It's the BIG picture here, without different lakes or patterns in So. Cal. we wouldn't have the talent in the west like we have.George was a Kook to write something like this about ANY area. The only reason I get WON (week old news) is cause I fish the tourneys. Duh.... C'mon George...out with the old and in with the new Gerryjig out
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RODSNAPPER | Wed Feb-12-03 12:55 PM |
Member since Jul 24th 2002
112 posts
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#8162, "RE: Bass Talk Editorial"
In response to Reply # 0
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Chris,
You have every right to be upset, and I admire you for your courage to stand up for your friends and customers. I'm a dedicated friend and customer of BWW, and if anyone disrespected myself or my Club with irresponsible comments, I WOULD EXPECT YOU TO DEFEND US, as we would you!
George Kramer is a Hack and a Has-been. He is not "Current" on events and techniques that have transpired in Bass Fishing through recent years, and I'd love to see him grab a rod and compete in one of his employer's (WON BASS) tournaments. It would be awesome just to witness his name at the bottom of the final result list.
To name names, as it were, is equally reprehensible. If George has an opinion on a specific geo-graphic target area, and the angler's who fish it, he should limit his remarks to reflect a general nature, and not be name specific. His actions were deliberate, and he should reap the whirlwind of payback.
Hey George! Stick with what you do best. Keep falling asleep on your 1963 Corona typewriter and find us a way to fish Diamond Valley Reservoir before I turn 65 years old (I'm only 36!)
It is YOU my friend, who still uses a 1/2 oz egg weight and 10 inch worm while Texas Rigging. I guess if you put a bead under that egg weight, it earned you a forward in Don Iovino's book. I hope Don makes a killing on the sale of HIS name....HE HAS DEFINATELY EARNED IT!
Way to go Chris! I'm proud to be your friend and client.
Sincerely,
Brad Acorn Treasurer, Orange County Bass Club
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