Jeff,I know you had a problem at showdow cliffs but every time I go there I never have a problem.Maybe it's cause I'm there every weekend in the winter.(well, almost!)I've had it so they almost let me drive over the levy but then they said I couldn't.I'm not sure about chabot.I think Rob knows someone who works there.I think they would let us put in there.I'd like to try chabot as I had tubed it about 5 years ago and only got 1 fish.(it was about 13lbs!)I realy haven't been back there since but keep meaning to go.If ya get the itch let me know and we'll hook up.Later,swampy