Bassin | Thu Oct-29-09 12:19 PM |
Member since Feb 18th 2003
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#17627, "RE: 2010 Pro/Ams"
In response to Reply # 0
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I was planning on stepping up as a co and fishing a Stren event or two this year. Now there is just NG. Problem with the NG events is the time off work, I would be looking at 4-5 days off per event vs Won with no days off.....Then there is the whole Shared vs Non shared wieght issue. Right now I am leaning towards fishing the NG Shasta and Delta events just for the experience of fishing as a co at this level.
Lake, you should take the plunge and go for it! To fish is to live!
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swimbait | Thu Oct-29-09 01:47 PM |
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#17628, "RE: 2010 Pro/Ams"
In response to Reply # 4
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Sacto John - I like your thinking. I'll revisit this next year for sure if I can put something together to fish an event or two :)
Lake - Dude you've given me a lot of good advice over the years which I value a lot. On the one hand I think it's awesome you want to go full bore and fish the NG. Obviously the Roosevelt tourney has your eye with your AZ roots :)
I just think there's a lot more to it than being able to find the cash for the entry fee. And what I mean by that is pre-fishing. I know your style is no-prefish, and we had some success with that method 10 years ago when we fished those team circuits.
But at the NG level.. phew. I could just see a bad situation where you get in the event, maybe practice 1 weekend or for a few days before the event, then wind up frustrated afterward that you didn't have the time to get that little bit of extra practice in. The little bit of practice that put you in the money.
It's one thing when you lose $200 as a result. It's another when you add a zero and a comma.
Here's another way to look at it. At current gas prices, if you fish the Roosevelt event, you're looking at:
$500 - truck gas from Milpitas (855 miles each way) $300 - boat gas if you only burn $50 a day for 6 days $135 - motel 6 in AZ split 2 ways $70 - boat oil, figuring you burn 2 tanks $60 - figure $10 to launch every day $2,000 - entry
$3,065 - total. which is pretty conservative
I didn't count food or tackle because you're going to buy it anyway.
My reasoning is that if you're going to fish that one event, why not have a go at the full WON season and practice every other weekend before each event for 2 months? WON is very likely to add a 4th event. It'll be 3, and there won't be a Western Classic unless something really changes up.
If you set up with good prefish before the events and a smaller $ commitment, don't you think you'll be in a much better position to be successful? And if it's a prestige thing, I don't think you have to look too far down the list of past WON Bass winners to see the biggest names in the sport.
http://www.wonbass.com/pro/stats/honor_roll.html
I'm not saying don't do it. I'm just saying - put yourself in a position to be successful, so at the end of the final day of the event you can feel like you at least gave yourself the opportunity to do well.
PS. I think Zaldain's new nickname should be Zorro.
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swimbait | Thu Oct-29-09 03:53 PM |
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#17631, "RE: 2010 Pro/Ams"
In response to Reply # 8
Thu Oct-29-09 03:54 PM by swimbait
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OK now you got me interested. Let's talk about the dreaded subject of tournamet payouts.
Let's do clear lake and delta only and compare NG v. WON v. AC. Let's add a reasonable amount of expenses. We'll go back a few years so that the size of the field is averaged out. We don't know what the field sizes will be for next year but there's been big fields and small fields in the last 4 years so it's not a terrible estimate. Since we don't know how many people got in the options and what the exact payback percentages are and such, this is just a basic way to compare.
Let's look at 2 things
1. The percentage of people who made their money back after a reasonable amount of expenses 2. The ratio of your entry fee to the 1st place prize money
Here's some calculations to see what percentage of the field made their money back. The first number is the number of guys who broke even or better. The second number is the field size. The third number is the percentage of guys who broke even or better.
NG - I'll assume anyone who made a top 50 check (8 to 10k) made their money back. 2009 Clear Lake - 29/89 - 32.6% 2008 Delta - 50/191 - 26.1% 2007 Clear Lake - 50/196 - 25.5%
Avg - 28.1%
AC - I'll assume anyone who made $1,000 made their money back 2009 Clear Lake - 11/68 - 16.2% 2007 Delta - 9/81 - 11.1% 2006 Delta - 15/76 - 19.7
Avg = 15.6%
WON - I'll assume anyone who made $1,000 made their money back. 2008 Clear Lake - 14/137 - 10.2% 2007 Clear Lake - 11/111 - 9.9% 2006 Clear Lake - 11/76 - 14.5%
Avg = 11.3%
Now let's take those same events and look at a ratio of entry fee to 1st place prize. When a boat is the first prize it gets squirrely right :) but let's just say the cert could get you $23,000
NG 2009 Clear Lake - 105000/4400 - 23.8 2008 Delta - 125000/4000 - 31.25 2007 Clear Lake - 125000/4000 - 31.25
Avg = 28.76
AC 2009 Clear Lake - 11675/400 - 29.18 2007 Clear Lake - 23000/400 - 57.5 2006 Delta - 23000/400 - 57.5
Avg = 48.06
WON 2008 Clear Lake - 23000/500 - 46.0 2007 Clear Lake - 24,500/500 - 49.0 2006 Clear Lake - 21,080/500 - 42.16
Avg = 49.55
What have we learned here team?
If you are interested in making your money back, FLW is your best odds. If you want to get a fat payback for first place relative to your entry fee, WON and AC should be your choice. Sure there's gray area and my numbers above are not some perfect accumulation of all the data, but that's the gist of it.
The funny thing about tournament fisherman mentality is that when we're in the truck driving home at the end of the last day we always want whatever portion of the payback we got to be higher. If we win, we want 1st place to be worth more. If we make the last check, we want the last check to be bigger. If we were just out of the money, we wish the event paid further down in to the field. If we were no where close to a check, we wish there was some luck option and that we'd won it.
True??? I think it is. The org's try to serve this thing up every which way, but you can't have your cake and eat it too.
Quick, someone yell at me and tell me I didn't take the TOC in to consideration :P
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socalfrogger | Thu Oct-29-09 05:13 PM |
Member since Oct 21st 2002
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#17632, "RE: 2010 Pro/Ams"
In response to Reply # 6
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heres my 2 cents.....
I hate the won bass events soley based on the shared weight. (everything else is great). I cant stand to see someone win without catching every fish for themselves..........
I fished Anglers Choice pro-ams back when they first came out in the late 90's. They were cool tournaments back then, but I fished as a co angler in those........seem to remember a decent payout!!
last year, the National Guard was way worth it. I had roughly 19,000 dollars invested for the 4 events, and walked away with almost 26 grand. And I only got 2 checks. your just gambling with higher stakes to make a bigger profit. now that they lowered the entry, there is not as much profit to be made. just thinking of the last place check being 5,000 with a full field and you have roughly 3,000 invested......thats only 2 grand profit. And they cut the top 10 to the top 5 on the last day. less opportunity for tv time!! the changes were necesary, but I dont know how much they will help. I plan on fishing them again next year with hopes to do the tour in 2011. I am going to try and rally some sponsor $ to try and do it in 2010, but the chances are slim to none.
I will say this...I have fished all 3 circuts and the National Guard runs the best shows!!!!!even better then BASS.
hope to see all of you next year at the NG events cam
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